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Only good for speculation, BTC has no price floor whereas Bitcoin Cash has a multitude of merchants that make money whatever its price AND adds merchants even in a downturn. One is a gamble while the other is an investment.

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08-10 09:04 - 'There is risk in the stock market yes. But what sets it apart from gambling in the casino is that there is a positive expectation to that risk. Typically I invest in index funds, which reflects my belief that those companies in t...' by /u/gooie removed from /r/Bitcoin within 15-25min

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There is risk in the stock market yes. But what sets it apart from gambling in the casino is that there is a positive expectation to that risk. Typically I invest in index funds, which reflects my belief that those companies in that index will produce more goods and services every year and be worth more and hence a positive return on my investment. If everyone in the world invests in profitable companies in the stock market, those companies will have an easier time raising capital to do productive economic activities. You are buying a piece of a company that will create future value, and the returns come in a very real way from these companies selling goods and services that get turned into your stock dividends or bond coupons.
Whereas if you had just bought gold/ bitcoin, that wealth just gets tied up in the gold or bitcoin. You don't really own a wealth-producing asset. The only value you will ever get from "investing" in bitcoin is from other future buyers. Hence it is a lot like gambling because it is a zero sum game.
Here are some more arguments against seeing gold as an investment. I view bitcoin in a very similar way: [[link]2
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In 2017 the founder of Morgan Creek Capital Investment nailed it: "Only gamble was whether #Bitcoin would make if from $0 to $100, that was the real miracle. Going from $4,000 to $40,000 or $400,000 is easy".

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Investing in Bitcoin isn't gambling, but day trading it is.

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10-03 11:54 - 'You are confused. Gambling on a "greater fool" theory is still gambling, not investing. Those gains came from suckers FOMO rushing in on media hype, and not on the basis of any fundamental development or prospects of such...' by /u/DingleAgain removed from /r/Bitcoin within 12-22min

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You are confused. Gambling on a "greater fool" theory is still gambling, not investing. Those gains came from suckers FOMO rushing in on media hype, and not on the basis of any fundamental development or prospects of such. People have how learned their lesson, so there will not be anything like that again. The only suckers left are the HODL ones.
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Cramer says Bitcoin is basically gambling, has "nothing to do with us", presumably traditional investors. Is bitcoin investing really that different from other speculative investing in "traditional" emerging technologies like those employed by Apple, Tesla, and so on?

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Nocoiners: Investing in Bitcoin is Gambling, Better Go With These Stocks

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Nocoiners: Investing in Bitcoin is Gambling, Better Go With These Stocks

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Bitcoiner gambles his kids college fund on bitcoin, loses half of it. Asks for advice on how to convince his wife investing more in bitcoin is a good idea.

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My friends say investing in btc is the same as gambling in the casino, what kind of argument can i come up with that this is not the same? /r/Bitcoin

My friends say investing in btc is the same as gambling in the casino, what kind of argument can i come up with that this is not the same? /Bitcoin submitted by HiIAMCaptainObvious to BitcoinAll [link] [comments]

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Why do people say investing in bitcoin is gambling? /r/Bitcoin

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Investing in Bitcoin isn't gambling, but day trading it is. /r/Bitcoin

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[Bloomberg Business] Central bank in Africa's top Bitcoin market warns investing in the cryptocurrency is a “gamble”… https://t.co/RiJ0Z3ReYz

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Bitcoin and speculative stock investing are dark mirrors of each other and the whole system is rotten.

Hey guys. Not entirely sure if this is the right place for this post, but here goes.
Since the GameStop short squeeze and the Elon Musk Bitcoin pump happened, there's been a lot on my mind about both Bitcoin and regular stocks and I need to get this off my chest.
One thing above all has really been bothering me and I couldn't put it into words until recently: how rotten the whole system is and how it allows a minority to earn enough money to never need to work again.
Whether it's Bitcoin or speculative stocks, it works out very similarly. People throw money and hope they get lucky, no better than any gambling.
When they win, it's not because they were smarter or did some great service to society. They only had to install an app on their phone, go through some KYC and throw money at their crypto or stock of choice.
Money is a currency used to determine how much access to society's resources someone has. The more money you have, the more resources you can access. This can be better apartments, lambos, yachts, mansions, whatever.
The winners of crypto or stocks are just gamblers, they get a disproportionately high share of society's resources without creating anything of value.
And then there's people like me. I work a day job, working hard every day and trying to improve my skills, hoping to get recognized and achieve some measure of success in life, yet I get a pittance while all these gamblers win big.
To be clear here, I'm not salty because I didn't invest money or lost it. I don't believe in either speculative stock investing or crypto "investing". I realize that speculative investments have a far higher chance to lose money, and losing money can really hurt you and your life prospects.
With both Bitcoin and speculative stock investing, what happens in practice isn't very different. They're glorified casinos and the winners are set for life, and it really grinds my gears because they didn't do anything to earn it, while I'm sitting at a desk day in and day out, working hard yet barely getting anything out of it.
But what's even worse is that the winners' wealth is created through exploitative means. For someone to win money in the casinos, someone else has to lose. Usually a lot of someones. And the losers? They can be drastically affected by their loss.
It's even more sad when you realize that most of them were suckered into playing the game with false promises: "Bitcoin/Gamestop is guaranteed to moon! Invest now and you'll never need to work again!" and so on.
Then when things fail and the hysteria ends, a lot of people are left holding the bag. Some turn to substance abuse, others commit suicie, yet others double down and throw more money at the casino in the vain hopes that they'll win the next time.
And even if speculative investments had a 50% or higher chance of making you a winner, what would that mean for our society?
I'm no economist, but I'm pretty sure that our society would start running low on resources as people buy more luxuries they couldn't afford before and this would result in price inflation. Which in the long-term, would nullify the winners' wealth and make everyone else worse off.
It's all so upsetting, and very sad what our society really values.
Sorry if this was too long or rambly, but I really needed to get this off my chest. Let me know what you think in the comments.
Edit: This might not have been clear to some, but I'm not a Bitcoin supporter. I know how it works and why it's terrible.
Edit 2: Well, my free day of shitposting is ending, so I'm wrapping up this thread. Thank you all so much for your responses! There were many interesting discussions, even with coiners. I might respond more tomorrow, but not as much as today.
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How and why I threw my HODL strategy out the window and fell for a pump & dump scheme

How and why I threw my HODL strategy out the window and fell for a pump & dump scheme
Dear fellow crypto enthusiasts,
Surely you have noticed the XRP pump&dump that took place two days ago. I am posting this as someone who completely fell for it. I hope that by sharing my experience I may gain some resolution and prevent someone else from doing the same mistake.
I am relatively new to crypto and went in way over my head. My strategy was to take most of my savings and put it on bitcoin for 5-7 years. Originally, I used €45k or $54k.
I went in when BTC was a little over 20k. But when it dipped to 30k, I threw my own strategy out the window and thought that I could time the market. As I lacked strategy and patience, it resulted in a loss that brought me down from 2 BTC down to 1.55 BTC. This was a lesson for me, which I should have paid more attention to.
Then on the first of February the XRP pump happened, so follow me for this ride (time in UTC):
https://preview.redd.it/be5aztpfq9f61.jpg?width=1486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6a433c4bee9b5dda80294d6cd09865051722f3b
  1. (05:00) Early in the morning, I notice the rise of XRP, because it was promoted in various subreddits. A huge rise was promised because of some arbitrary reason (ripple filed its defence towards the SEC).
  2. (08:54) Buy order: At this point, I thought it was a good idea to switch about 50% of my BTC (0.77) into XRP.
  3. (10:37) Sell order: It started to work. It went up and I sold it for 0.787 BTC. This small profit made me even more reckless.
  4. (10:44) Buy order: I saw a larger dip, which happened before on XRPs way up. I thought that this was a good spot to get in again. My goal was now to swing back to 2 BTC to remake my loss. A huge gambling red flag – as I learned later.
  5. (11:14) Buy order: It’s up again! I thought that I should accelerate the gain by moving the rest of my BTC (0.78) into XRP. I am almost there! Somewhere I read that there was a huge pump incoming at 14:30. I was adamant about holding until then.
  6. (12:14) Sell order: I didn’t realize what has happened, but now there was an even bigger dip. I panicked and sold, but I am now down to 1.157 BTC.
  7. (12:15) Buy order: Another irrational decision, as I thought that this surely must be the recovery. So I went all-in again.
  8. (13:33) Sell order: Another panic sell. Now I only get 0.9 BTC.
  9. (13:36) Buy order: I thought that the loss is unacceptable and that this must be the recovery before the big pump! I go all-in into XRP again.
  10. (17:11) Sell order: My final sell order. I am now down to 0.66 BTC and finally realizing that I got scammed and that I was left holding the bag.
Here is my transaction history from Bitstamp:
https://preview.redd.it/wm8as0598cf61.jpg?width=1269&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78ae6cc3cd6af34e4685141d79d1b052de35c281
My worst mistakes besides not sticking to my HODL strategy were that I invested more than I could afford to lose, that I did not accept the losses, and that I fell for the obvious pump&dump signs:
  • The many posts that were advocating the XRP recovery.
  • The speed as XRP gained significant volume over the course of a few hours.
  • The rumour of a huge pump on a specific time.
Now there is a great guide out there on pump&dump schemes by u/Anhowa123 that I wish I had known earlier:
https://www.reddit.com/CryptoCurrency/comments/lb4zsv/with_the_recent_influx_of_new_users_i_decided_to/
Apparently, everything was organized via a telegram group. I lost about €25k or 0.9 BTC in the pump&dump. This is more than I can take to lose. Since then, I am devasted. I am feeling physically sick and stressed. I can barely eat, and I am too ashamed to tell anyone in person what I have done.
The worst part is that I have invested money that I inherited from my grandmother, who worked hard for this. I feel that I have let her down and I do not know what to do anymore. It would take me many years to earn it back.
Please don’t make the mistakes that I did.
Update: Thank you all for your kind words and/or the stern advise! It really helps me to process what happened and how I can prevent me from doing this in the future. After all, I live in my own apartment, have a good-paying job, and I still have some funds left. I still have 0.66 BTC, bought some ETH with stock profits (I actually managed some good long-term investing here) and will put my keys to my ledger so that I cannot access them so easily whenever I should feel the impulse to daytrade again. My plan is to HODL for 7 years and maybe DCA once I rebuild the stock money that I invested in ETH. I know that crypto will crash again, but such is the life of the circle.
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The next BTC crash could be something to behold

Also on my blog with better formatting, cute footnotes and inlined images.
Note that not much here is new material, mostly rehashing existing points.

Disclaimer

This article started out as research for my betting against Bitcoin on the stock market. This isn't financial advice. As a matter of fact, I encourage all readers you to not buy or short crypto, through any market or derivative. Use your money for productive uses.
Here's a TL;DR:
  1. The current parabolic price increase in Bitcoin is a bubble that has started popping.
  2. A stablecoin called Tether is either one of the largest frauds or money laundering operation in history, and is providing most of the liquidity in the cryptocurrency ecosystem.
  3. A BTC bubble pop, incoming regulation on stablecoins or the current NYAG investigation into tether will expose tether's insolvency to the crypto market. This is bigger than it sounds.
  4. (Speculative, but one can hope) Current prices to mine BTC could end up higher than BTC market price, exposing BTC to a 51% attack.

A Recap: Bitcoin is useless and should go away

Bitcoin serves no purpose. Let's just rehash that by quickly debunking the major claimed uses over time as seen here
The stupidest version of the "uncorrelated asset" argument I hear is "Bitcoin is a great hedge for inflation!"
You know what's a good "hedge for inflation"? Literally anything. The definition of inflation is "the price of money". If the price of money goes down (inflation) then everything else has a positive return by comparison.
People who say "bitcoin is a good hedge for inflation" shouldn't be trusted to manage their own money, let alone give financial advice to anyone.
I already went into detail into this, but BTC is a terrible store of value because it's volatile. Assets that can lose 20% of value overnight don't "store value". BTC is a "vehicle for speculation".
The only way price is sustained for BTC is that you can find some other idiot to sell it to. Just as a reminder, 50% of Gold is used for things that aren't speculation, like Jewelry, so you'll never have to worry finding a seller there.
Here are some real uses for bitcoin:
Reminder: BTC is an ecological scourge
The current cost to mine a BTC is around $8000 in electricity. This electricity mostly comes from subsidized coal in China.
And given the current amount of BTC generated each day, we're using about equivalent to the electricity from all of Belgium, largely in coal, to keep this going.
I don't mind wasting time on intellectual curiosities, but destroying our planet for glorified gambling is not something I'm happy about. I want cryptocurrencies to go away entirely on this basis, philosophically.

Current BTC prices are a bubble

Before we go into tether, reminder that at the time of writing, the plot of BTC price against the S&P500 looks like this
BTC price has increased by ~800% since March. Still, no one uses it for anything useful since the last bubble in 2017, or the other one before that in 2013. This is another bubble however you put it.
BTC is not "new technology"
10 years the internet became popular, Google and Amazon already existed. We're 8 years after the popular emergence of deep learning and it has already revolutionized machine translation, computer vision and natural language processing in general.
You could argue that deep learning and the internet existed before their emergence, but so did cryptocurrencies. Look up b-money and hashcash for instance.
Bitcoin has existed since 2008 and emerged in popularity around the same time as deep learning did, yet we're still to find actual uses for it except speculation and criminal uses. It's a solution waiting for a problem.
Institutional investors are also idiots
The narrative this time is that "institutional investors" are buying into BTC. This doesn't mean it's not a bubble.
Many of the institutions were buying through Grayscale Bitcoin Trust. Rather, many of them were chasing the premium over net asset value that hovered around 20%. Basically, lock money in GBTC for 6 months, cash out and collect the premium as profit. Of course, this little Ponzi couldn't last forever and the premium seems to be evaporating now.
Similarly, totally-not-a-bitcoin-ETF-wearing-a-software-company-skinsuit Microstrategy (MSTR) trades at a massive premium over fundamentals.
There will always be traders chasing bonuses from numbers going up, regardless what is making the number going up. The same "institutional investors" were buying obviously terrible CDOs in the run-up to 2008.

Tether is lunacy

Tether is a cryptocurrency whose exchange rate is supposed to be pegged to the US Dollar. Initially this was done by having 1-to-1 US Dollar reserves for each tether issued. Then they got scammed by their money launderer, losing some $800M, which made them insolvent.
Anyway, now tether maintains their reserves are whatever they want them to be and they haven't gotten audited since 2017.
You know, normal stuff.
There's a problem to backing your USD-pegged security with something that isn't US Dollars. Namely, if the price of the thing you're backing your US Dollars against goes down, you're now insolvent. If you were backing $10B in tether with $10B of bitcoin, then the bitcoin drops by half, you're insolvent by $5B.
And then this spotlessly clean company they somehow added $20B to their balance sheet in the second half of 2020
Reminder: one side of that balance sheet is currently floating around the cryptocurrency ecosystem. Cryptocurrency traders own it as an asset and sell it to others. The other half of the balance sheet is whatever tether wants.
There are only two possibilities that explain tether's growth:
It could also be a happy mix of both.
One particularly interesting date is 30/8/2020, where tether added $3B to its balance sheet overnight. This is interesting because it predates the subsequent movement in bitcoin price and large movements in other cryptocurrencies.
The story from tether and tether's bank's CEO is that this money largely comes from foreign nationals through an OTC desk which implies the transaction goes as following:
  1. A foreign national sends money in a foreign currency to an OTC desk. This is exactly as clean as you'd think -- often raw cash transactions in the millions.
  2. That OTC desk converts the money to USD and sends it to tether's correspondent US bank. The OTC desk gives tether to the foreign national.
  3. Wait tether has a correspondent US bank?
Oh, I forgot to mention, no bank wants tether as a customer because they obviously break KYC/AML compliance. So tether first bought invested in a bank called Noble which then lost its relationship with Wells-Fargo when they realized tether were lying to them about AML. Poor tether lost its legal access to USD.
Tether has been banking in the Bahamas with a bank called Deltec since. First they had a money launderer called Crypto Capital Corp to send funds to customers, who stole the $800M from them and subsequently went to jail.
But worry not! Tether found a way to get banked in USD afterwards. Curious coincidence, an executive at Deltec was randomly blogging about buying small US community banks in 2018. You know, that thing money launderers do.
So tether's story is that in 2020, they took in roughly twenty billion USD of shady foreign money into the small community US bank their deltec bankers bought. These transactions are necessarily breaking KYC/AML. The foreign parties to those transactions wouldn't take such a rickety route to convert billions into cryptocurrencies if they weren't laughed out of the room in serious banks.
But of course, Deltec will say it did KYC on tether. Really solid KYC, clearly, since they're the last bank on earth taking tether's business. Tether says they do KYC on their customers (the large OTC desks). And I'm sure the OTC desks would be shocked, shocked if the cash money they get in Russia and China turns out to be dirty. So everyone can pass the buck of responsibility down the road and claim "We do KYC on our customers".
Sure you do, tether. If you did such great KYC, you wouldn't have such problems finding banking relationships. I mean when even HSBC is not doing business with you you're apparently more obviously moving criminal money than fucking drug cartels.
And, according to tether's people, this money is what's backing tether's reserves. Money that will get frozen the instant a prosecutor even looks at it.
Reminder: the above is the charitable, positive case for tether.
The less charitable case is that they took crayons and added zeros to their balance sheet, and that there's a couple billions waiting to burn a hole in the crypto ecosystem.
Anyway, the $25B garbage fire that is tether will make a great book/netflix series at some point and their hilariously stupid CTO going on podcasts while flinching on questions about how BTC ended up on their balance sheet will be a fun part of it.
But I'm not here to write a book, I'm here to make money by shorting all of this. For my purposes, even in the positive case tether is a ticking time bomb waiting to burn a hole in the crypto ecosystem, because...

KYC and AML are coming for cryptocurrencies

If you listen to "crypto news", all incoming crypto regulation is just great, because that means crypto is becoming legit. However, companies investing in crypto are very angry about them.
This is because crypto transactions break the FinCEN travel rule, where KYC information should "travel" along transactions, to prevent money laundering obfuscation schemes.
Of course, according to the crypto industry this is "stifling innovation". A more reasonable take is that by being leaving the crypto industry outside normal financial regulations, we're enabling a "race to the bottom". As we saw with shadow banks in the 2000-2007 era this leads to "creative banking". I don't want my bankers to be creative, I want them to be solvent.

Tether's effect on the crypto ecosystem

When tether implodes, it's taking most of the crypto industry along for a fun ride. Tether can implode in one of a few ways:
  1. A BTC price crash triggers it. If
  2. Regulators decide they've had enough of AML avoidance and regulate them.
  3. The NYAG investigation, which is waiting for an update in a few weeks, finds something and shuts them out.
Let's assume tether falls to $0 for simplicity. The analysis is the same directionally if tether significantly "breaks the buck".
This doesn't happen instantly, but it happens quickly. The peg breaks, and most people holding tether will try to sell it for other crypto (BTC, ETH, etc.). This puts downward pressure on the price of tether, incentivizing even more people to "pass the buck". Automated inter-exchange arbitrage bots might try to exploit emerging gaps in bid-ask spreads, only to end up with worthless tether instead, as their operators rush to pull the plug.
Then, we have a small village of cryptocurrency enthusiasts being out some $24B. With the trading bots turned off and the trading lubricant (a dollar pegged asset) gone, the bid-ask spreads blow up. You get a predictable flight to safety -- that is, to real money. This puts downward pressure on BTC.
While all of this is happening, there are all sorts of fun second-order effects happen. A lot of DeFi derivative products are priced in cryptocurrencies, so having normally stable prices shuffle around (eg. USDC price moving above $1 in a flight to safety) triggers a tsunami of margin calls. Some exchanges might insolvent (they're the ones redeeming tether for USD after all).

If BTC price drops below $8000, fun things happen

Currently, the price to mine a BTC is roughly $8000. Most of the mining comes from huge mining farms using subsidized coal in China, and mining costs more the more hardware there is to mine it.
Since the price of BTC hasn't substantially dropped below cost to mine we're in for a fun experiment if the price drops below this threshold. Most of these farms should turn off so that the price to mine comes back to breakeven in a case of prisoner's dilemma.
But if too much hardware turns off, this leaves mining hardware idle and the door becomes wide open to a 51% attack. It's not clear at what price below breakeven cost to mine a 51% attack becomes a serious threat, but once this threshold is crossed, we're in the "irreparable harm to BTC" risk zone.
And for a person like me, who just wants to see crypto disappear forever this is very exciting.
Maybe those mining farms could be replaced with nice forests soaking up all the carbon they emitted for posterity. One can hope.

How do I bet against all of this?

Microstrategy (MSTR) is, at this point, a bitcoin ETF wearing the skinsuit of a dying software company.
Michael Saylor, MSTR's CEO, is quite the character. I wrote a lot about his lack understanding of what a currency is, but it's on another level to look at the early stages of a bubble pop and decide this is a good time to buy $10M more of the stuff, as seen here
However, this bubble is tame by Michael's standards. Look at the historical stock of his company
What's happening on the left is that Saylor pumped the numbers with accounting fraud then the SEC took issue with the fake numbers. The stock dropped 90% practically overnight. Their accountants, PWC, paid $51M in fines. Saylor and friends paid fines, partly with company stock.
You could also short GBTC, but when Mr. Saylor provides you with an options market instead, why not use it? Shorting on crypto exchanges that might become insolvent in the very event you want to happen with this bet is a bad idea, on the other hand.

Mike can't cash out

The bitcoin market is illiquid and leveraged when it comes to real money coming in and leaving the ecosystem. Buys in the $10M-$100M seemingly move the price of BTC by upwards of $1000 in the last weeks. This means hundreds of millions of real money means tens of billions in movement in BTC market capitalization.
Now imagine what cashing $1.1B of BTC into real money would mean for the price. And this is purely in market terms, before the PR damage from bitcoin's demigod abandoning ship would have second-order effects.
Saylor has painted himself into a corner. Even if he wanted to cash out, he can't.

MSTR fundamentals: Why it should be valued below $10

In early 2020, MSTR was a slowly dying business. The EBITDA has been rapidly evaporating in the last 5 years
At that point, MSTR a stock price of $115 meaning a market cap of $1.1B. This included some $560M of cash they were sitting on. I presume the remaining $550M was an implicit sales premium for the inevitable private equity firm investors expected was going to relieve them of this stock and make the business profitable again.
Of course, they didn't sell.
Instead, they took the $560m they were sitting on and bought $400m of BTC at prices $11k and $13k in late summer 2020. Then, in early December, they took on $600m of debt to buy BTC with at $23k. They also bought $10m more in January at a price of $30.5k.
At this point, we can mostly value MSTR like a trust.
GBTC's 20% premium-to-NAV is a joke compared to the MSTR premium.
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Not another fairy-tale ending - a word of warning for those entering the crypto scene

For myself, life over the past few years has seemingly gone from bad to worse - and before I go into the details -this isn’t a “pity-post” or a sympathy searching exercise, this is simply a warning, and hopefully a lesson to others who are entering the crypto scene.
My crypto journey began back in earnest at the start of that famed 2017 “bull run” – I had a little bit in savings and had done my due diligence – this really was the future, and it could potentially set me and my family up for life.
I bought in with every bit of money I had to spare. All told, it was about £6,500, and the price of Bitcoin sat at just under £9,000.
This was exciting. The price continued to increase and I religiously opened and closed the Coinbase website to see the price soar by the hundreds and into the thousands. Work took a backseat and I became consumed with the markets, red and green candles being the first and last things I saw in the day.
I wanted more. I became envious of those that had bought into cryptos years before. So I looked at alternate avenues to increase my Bitcoin holdings… this was going to be the making of me! Sadly it turned out to be quite the opposite.
Scams, Scams everywhere…
The first venture I looked into was a third party bitcoin mining platform which promised exponential growth. It sounded too good to be true (spoiler: it was). I used a credit card to buy more Bitcoin. First mistake. I maxed the card and sent around £6,000 in Bitcoin to a mining company known as Crypterra. The reviews were good, the discord was active, people were seeing payouts – it was all looking legitimate. But of course it wasn’t. Payouts dried up. The devs went silent and the site disappeared and re-appeared sporadically before going offline indefinitely. It was over and I had lost most of the £6,000 from my credit card.
Robots are the future?
The price of Bitcoin was still holding strong and I’d made small gains with my original investment which was still untouched. Perhaps I could increase by Bitcoin gains elsewhere and pay off the credit card I had maxed out.
Again, I looked into ways to bolster my Bitcoin reservesI looked into trading platforms, cryptocurrency bots in particular. How hard could it be? As long as the price of Bitcoin went up, it should balance out any losses as I learned the ropes. There were a few that caught my eye. And following what I thought was sage “youtuber” advice – I dove into the world of trading with bots – linking up a Binance account and setting up my automated systems to work their magic and trade whilst I was asleep/working/sitting on the toilet, you name it.
As you can imagine, these bots weren’t the holy grail they were promoted to be, and I was losing Bitcoin left, right and centre. I became more and more “experimental” with the strategies… doubling my stakes, tripling my stakes to recoup what I had lost. I didn’t see it as real money (despite paying with hard earned money to fund these accounts) – it was magic internet money, just ones and zeroes – so the reality of it didn’t hit home how much I was actually losing. Shock horror, I lost it all.
Taking it to the bookies…
I had effectively been gambling my money away, and in my increasingly agitated state I sought out other communities to try and regain my money. Sports-betting communities, gambling communities, Twitter “tipsters” and Facebook groups who had all the inside knowledge.
I was down over £12,000 from my savings and the £6,500 from the credit card combined. I decided to open another two credit cards. One to fund my betting account and the other for backup. I quickly went through the first card’s funds, but I was ‘still learning’, this was ‘Ok’ – next time I would get it right. The second card (third in total) was quickly exhausted, and I was now close to £20,000 in the hole from when I started, all within just a few months.
The hole grew ever darker
As I write this now I am actually afraid and embarrassed to share the total losses I have made over the past few years (it’s actually much worse than I could have ever imagined). I have no-one to blame but myself; the greed, stupidity and at times, pure arrogance have lead me down this path. A path which at the moment seems irreversible for me.
To see the price of Bitcoin now makes me feel physically sick – if only I had been patient. If only I hadn’t chased my losses, if only I hadn’t played with money that wasn’t mine - I wouldn’t be in this predicament. As the debt mounts ever higher and interest rates on credit cards are crippling me, it will be an incredibly long time before I have any financial stability again. It has made me mentally unwell and I’m still figuring out the next steps which I know include professional support and removing my head from the pile of sand in which I have buried it.
I sincerely hope that those who read this account of my situation don’t fall into the same trap. The world is once again hyped for crypto, and with it come the pitfalls and scams and false promises of financial freedom and becoming rich. Don’t try and cheat the system, don’t chase your losses and don’t use money that isn’t yours in the first place.
TLDR:
To put it succinctly, the above is a very short overview of the financial hole I have found myself due to greed, arrogance and stupidity over the past few years. Hopefully a warning to others. Don’t chase losses, don’t look for the next get rich scheme and don’t invest money that isn’t yours to start with. Basically, don’t ruin your life like me. If only I had just held.
EDIT:
A quick edit to say thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read the above and replied in the comments. I've had some very honest and insightful responses and some incredibly useful suggestions about how I can bring myself back from this dilemma. I'll be seeking professional help both for the gambling and the debt management and hopefully get myself on the right track for the sake of my own sanity and that of my family's.
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Ark Big Ideas 2021: Read Through to SPACs

Ark has been a big name in SPACs, investing in general in 2020/2021, and followed closely on this subreddit. They have invested in SPACs including HIMS, OPEN, LGVW, and EXPC, which often saw an increase in trading price after Ark's involvement. Names such as SRAC and NPA also received a boost with the announcement of the Ark Space ETF. So it is helpful to understand what Ark is looking at when investing in SPACs.
Ark released their "Big Ideas 2021" presentation last week. The below goes through the high level industries and ideas Ark is looking at, as well as relevant SPACs to those industries/ideas. While these SPACs are not listed by Ark in the presentation, they are my summary of those that fit, and poised to benefit from, the themes Ark lays out.
  1. Deep Learning: AI/Computer written software code
    1. Key SPAC Names: SAII, ACEV, THBR
      1. Ark mention autonomous vehicles (among many other end markets). While this is focused more on software, SAII recently rumored to be in talks with Otonomo, an Israeli startup that operates a data platform linked to millions of connected cars.
      2. Ark also mention a jump in specialized chips in this section (don’t specifically say FPGAs [ACEV] or SOCs [THBR], but could be applicable).
    2. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: GRAF/VLDR, GMHI/LAZR, IPV, CLA, CGRO, CFAC (rumored)
      1. While autonomous is mentioned, the focus is more on deep learning software and chips enabling it than the LiDAR players, so don’t include them here.
  2. The Re-invention of the Data Center: Data centers shifting to new hardware, such as ARM, RISC-V, GPUs, TPUs, and FPGAs
    1. Key SPAC Names: ACEV
      1. A lot of this section is about ARM processors. But, they specifically mention accelerators, including FPGAs, replacing CPUs. ACEV target Achronix is one of the few independent FPGA producers.
    2. SPAC names I wouldn’t Include, but related: THBR
      1. FPGAs specifically mentioned, but no mention of SOCs or autonomous, so don’t think THBR as applicable here.
  3. Virtual Worlds: Virtual reality, augmented reality, metaverse, and other futuristic steps in the design and monetization of video games
    1. Key SPAC Names: FEAC/SKLZ
      1. Virtual Gaming: Around virtual worlds, Roblox IPO is a prime target, although this section talks about areas outside of just Vmetaverse. They talk about different methods of monetizing video games, which SKLZ (former FEAC SPAC) fits well with.
    2. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: LCA/GNOG, DMYD, DMYT/RSI, DEAC/DKNG
      1. Online Gambling: While the online gambling players are technically “gaming”, this section seems more focused on video game monetization than gambling, so I don’t include them.
  4. Digital Wallets: Online first financial accounts, banking, and lending platforms
    1. Key SPAC Names: VIH, IPOE, FUSE (rumored), FTOC (rumored), NEBU/LPRO, FSRV, BFT
      1. VIH immediately comes to mind as the SPAC whose presentation talks specifically about digital wallets. But it appears that they are also talking about online-based banking services here, which can broaden potential targets to include IPOE/SoFi (only SPAC explicitly mentioned by Ark), the rumored FUSE/MoneyLion deal, the rumored Payonee FTOC merger
      2. They also mention digital lenders, which could include NEBU/LPRO or FSRV (don’t mention either, but mention FSRV partner AFFM)
    2. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: FTAC/PAYA & SPRQ
      1. Fintech payment enabling fintech SPACs, but they aren’t really digital wallets/consumer focused.
  5. Bitcoin: No explanation needed on this, they dedicated a section to the world's largest cryptocurrency
    1. Key SPAC Names: VIH
      1. Digital Wallet: While crypto exchanges and other bitcoin-related names have been rumored to potentially be evaluating SPACs, VIH is the only crypto-related name currently in the SPAC universe
  6. Electric Vehicles: An area well covered on this subreddit, EVs are another key sector pointed out by Ark.
    1. Key SPAC Names: SHLL/HYLN, DPHC/RIDE, SPAQ/FSR, HCAC/GOEV, VTIQ/NKLA, ACTC, CIIC, NGA, FIII, GIK, PSAC, CCIV (rumor), KCAC/QS, PIC/XL, RMG/RMO, ALUS, CLII, TPGY, SBE, FVAC/MP, AMCI, THBR, ACEV
      1. EV OEMs: The major EV OEM SPACs are obvious candidates here, being SHLL/HYLN, DPHC/RIDE, SPAQ/FSR, HCAC/GOEV, VTIQ/NKLA, ACTC, CIIC, NGA, FIII, GIK, PSAC, CCIV (rumor)
      2. EV Parts: Parts suppliers, such as KCAC/QS, PIC/XL, RMG/RMO, and ALUS are also all poised to benefit from electrification
      3. EV Charging Stations: The EV Charging stations, such as CLII, TPGY, SBE, are all going to see great benefit from further EV adoption
      4. Raw Materials: FVAC/MP is also exposed to broader EV trends via NdPr output at the mine, which is currently used in 90% of EVs
      5. FCEV Parts: AMCI is acquiring a fuel cell provider, which are used for FCEVs and mentioned throughout their presentation
      6. Semiconductors: THBR’s semiconductors are being used for electrification, among other auto-based end markets. ACEV is similar, with their FPGAs being used for the future of the auto-market.
    2. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: TRNE/DM
    3. TRNE talks about how additive manufacturing enables EVs, among many other industries, although it’s not a key focus/driver.
  7. Automation: Robotics factories, production, and manufacturing. Do not know of any SPACs in this area currently.
  8. Autonomous Ride Hailing: Specifically looking at robo-taxis
    1. Key SPAC Names: GRAF/VLDR, GMHI/LAZR, IPV, CLA, CGRO, CFAC (rumored), THBR, ACEV
      1. LiDAR: While Ark’s thesis is looking more at the platform providers, any autonomous driving will be enabled by the LiDAR providers GRAF/VLDR, GMHI/LAZR, IPV, CLA, CGRO, CFAC (rumored)
      2. Semiconductors: THBR is looking to produce semi’s for “safety systems” for future vehicles (autonomous). ACEV is similarly looking to use their FPGAs for the future of cars.
    2. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: SHLL/HYLN, DPHC/RIDE, SPAQ/FSR, HCAC/GOEV, VTIQ/NKLA, ACTC, CIIC, NGA, FIII, GIK, PSAC, CCIV (rumor)
    3. EV OEMs: While it’s possible the major EV OEMs could have autonomous vehicles, and some even mention this, it is not as key to their investment thesis as the electrification side
  9. Drone Delivery: Autonomous air travel, mostly for ecommerce delivery and passengers
    1. Key SPAC Names: Haven’t seen any SPACS that really relate to this theme
    2. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: EXPC, ASPL (rumor), ZNTE (rumor)
      1. The Ark presentation seems to mostly be mentioning eCommerce-type fulfilment, although there is some discussion of autonomous passenger deliver
  10. Orbital Aerospace: Space-related names including connectivity and hypersonic point-to-point travel
  11. Key SPAC Names: SRAC, IPOA/SPCE, NPA
    1. Satellite Launch/Positioning: SRAC is likely the most relevant, as it specializes in putting satellites into their proper orbit.
    2. Space-based Connetivity: NPA also helps enable space-based communication, which Ark mentions.
    3. Hypersonic Point-to-Point: And finally, Ark mentions hypersonic point-to-point travel, which IPOA/SPCE is looking to get involved in
  12. 3D Printing: Another straight forward one, Ark thinks additive manufacturing will revolutionize manufacturing
  13. Key SPAC Names: TRNE/DM
    1. 3D Printing: DM is a 3D printer, this one is clearly the most applicable
  14. Long Read Sequencing: DNA sequencing (think ILMN), the next step is those who can perform longer "reads" of DNA (PACB, Oxford Nanopore). I have not seen any SPACs targeting this area.
  15. Multi-Cancer Screening: Looking at liquid biopsies/blood tests for early cancer detection.
  16. Key SPAC Names: CNAC/DMTK
  17. SPAC names I wouldn't include, but related: VGAC
    1. Genetic Testing: VGAC is rumored to be in discussions with 23andMe. Their current product is mostly around ancestry testing, but they also are looking to do health screening per the Bloomberg article. Still, Ark is focused mostly on cancer testing, and there is no evidence they are specializing in cancer screening.
  18. Cell & Gene Therapy Generation 2: Self-explanatory, cell and gene therapies, Ark looks at the next stage shifting from liquid to solid tumors, autologous (cells from yourself) to allogeneic (cells from anybody) cell therapy, and ex vivo to in vivo gene editing.
  19. Key SPAC Names: GXGX
    1. Allogenic Gene Therapy: Ark specifically talks about allogenic therapies, of which GXGX is acquiring one.
None of the above is supposed to be investment advice, a recommendation to buy, or suggest Ark is or will be involved at all in any of the above names. Do your own due diligence.
I and others I advise own positions in some of the above securities

Edit: Added BFT to "Digital Wallets" and CNAC/DMTK to "Multi-Cancer Screening"
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Why you should not be concerned about the drop in price today during market hours

I've read a lot of comments of people panicking and starting to sell due to the drop in price during market hours today, from the 0.080 peak of last night. I'm hear to assure you that this is normal and I have some data to back me up. Please do take this post with a grain of salt as I am still new to this and don't bet your life on it holding up. Please remember this is gambling and not investing. This is a DOGE casino. Only bet what you can afford to lose.

Comparison with GME

First off, I noticed that our takeoffs have been after hours. The big spike yesterday started at 3:00 PM, right when market closed. It then really took off when AH on stocks closed, this is mostly due to the Elon tweet. The big point though is that it took off when market closed. When did it really start to drop? Around 7:00 AM this morning when the East Coast woke up and sold their DOGE to invest in GME. It further dropped when market opened. I'd like to direct your attention to the graph below, where the green line is GME and white is DOGE. This is a quick overlay I made from Robinhood and the scale of the market is wrong, but you can still see the general idea of what I'm going for, it is from market open to 1 PM EST.
https://i.imgur.com/Yrba7rU.png
What we see here is a seemingly inverse relationship. When DOGE rises, GME drops. When GME rises, DOGE drops. This is not perfect relation, but there's a reason behind it.
This is because of people going in and using DOGE to make a profit then putting the profit into GME since people are expecting the big squeeze today. The effect of one dropping or rising is usually delayed, this is partially due to brokerage servers being overloaded. When GME closes today, it will be the weekend and since DOGE is a crypto, it never closes. This will bring floods of people into DOGE who were late to the GME train who are trying to turn their profits from GME into the values they were reading in the upwards of $50k+. There will be nothing to compete with DOGE tonight, if people grab ahold of what's going on DOGE will absolutely soar. Do not get discouraged by the drops into the 0.03 range. Buy it cheap. People want in on the DOGE casino and will be desperate to get more as they can't trade GME until Monday. This weekend is our time to shine.

Metcalfe's Law

Metcalfe's Law is essentially the law that the value of a network is a function of the number of pairs transactions possible. Think of it like this, two telephones can make only 1 connection, five can make 10 connections, and twelve can make 66 connections. See where I'm going with this? When more people join in, market cap will adjust with it. It was true with Bitcoin and every other major crypto. You can see the transactions vs market map visualized below for Bitcoin
https://i.imgur.com/Sk9qCvk.png
That means that Metcalfe's Law will eventually take over and the prices will rise.

What this means

This means that you all should not be panicking. Do not have paper paws, keep your diamond paws strong and hold the line. We can only be successful and get to $1 if we all work together. $1 is the first stop, we will then go higher. Only sell part of your DOGE at $1 and then we can skyrocket from there. If we all abandon each other, this won't take off and we'll sink down. DOGE isn't trending on Twitter anymore under the trending tab, we have to get that trending again. We have to get a post to the front page of Reddit so that everyone can buy in. It's at 0.04 cents right now, that is still up roughly 400%! Get your friends to drop just $10 on DOGE. Every little bit helps.
Edit: As others have mentioned, brokerages have restricted sales and are down for maintenance is part of the drop as well. This is mostly due to load on servers. Crypto does not follow the same rules as stocks and DOGE being successful does not hurt the hedge funds. It is 100% a casino that's taking off because of the meme. We want it to continue that way because memes (and money) are great and we need all the laughs and jokes and bright spots we can get in these dark times.
Also worth noting that it seems that SatoshiStreetBets will be doing a coordinated push at 3 PM EST when the market closes for DOGE so if you can afford to dump $10 more in, that would help with that effort
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is investing in bitcoin gambling video

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